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Re: great idea -- explain own bids

by blackshoe <blackshoe@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 21, 2008 at 08:19 AM

On Apr 21, 8:20=A0am, Bob <rfr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

> If the complete verbal agreement is "Cappelletti", you are not allowed
> to say Cappelletti. Actually at the table, "Cappelletti" is a
> perfectly acceptable answer if the opps know the meaning of
> Cappelletti. If they don't, then you have to tell them the meaning of
> the bids you are making.

Bull****. In the ACBL, at least, and also in other jurisdictions if
I'm not mistaken, "explaining" a call by naming a convention is
*explicitly* illegal. See the ACBL Alert Procedure.

> Or, the Precision 1D opener can and probably should be defined as an
> opening hand lacking any other opening bid. You could, in theory, tell
> the opps just your agreements and let them infer meaning. They will
> probably be pissed and ask you to just tell them the meaning of the
> bid. I suspect most directors, when called, will also be pissed at
> you. In fact, most Precision players I know try to describe the
> meaning of the 1 Diamond bid.

"1D is limited, 11-15 HCP, natural, but could be as short as two with
no other opening bid available. <insert list of other limited opening
bids here>"

Of course, under ACBL regulations, you shorten this to the
announcement "could be short", giving the full explanation only if the
opponents ask for it.

"An opening bid lacking any other opening bid" is a stupid way to
define *any* opening bid. As for opponents or the TD being "pissed",
that's at best a red herring.

[snip much nonsensical yammering]

Partner****p experience leads to implicit agreements. If those implicit
agreements contradict explicit agreements, then the former hold sway.
After all, which agreement are you going to treat as applying? In such
cases, the principle of full disclosure requires that you explain both
the explicit agreement and the implicit agreement, as well as the
basis for the latter ("the last three times he's made this bid, he had
15-17").
 




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Bob <rfrick@[EMAIL PRO  2008-04-20 22:09:40 
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Bob <rfrick@[EMAIL PRO  2008-04-20 22:24:30 
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"raija d" <m  2008-04-20 22:47:37 
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David Stevenson <bridg  2008-04-23 12:26:07 
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dranon <dranon@[EMAIL   2008-04-23 07:17:36 
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"raija d" <m  2008-04-23 09:42:30 
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dranon <dranon@[EMAIL   2008-04-24 05:30:39 
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Martin Ambuhl <mambuhl  2008-04-21 01:57:29 
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Barry Margolin <barmar  2008-04-21 02:11:17 
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gazelle@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-21 15:12:33 
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Barry Margolin <barmar  2008-04-21 20:22:41 
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gazelle@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-22 00:32:58 
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=?Windows-1252?Q?J=FCrgen  2008-04-23 12:04:59 
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gazelle@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-21 15:05:35 
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Bob <rfrick@[EMAIL PRO  2008-04-20 22:49:06 
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Barry Margolin <barmar  2008-04-21 02:02:50 
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Bob <rfrick@[EMAIL PRO  2008-04-20 23:10:52 
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"raija d" <m  2008-04-21 00:12:15 
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David Stevenson <bridg  2008-04-24 02:31:18 
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dranon <dranon@[EMAIL   2008-04-24 05:31:19 
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gazelle@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-24 15:01:55 
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dranon <dranon@[EMAIL   2008-04-25 02:57:15 
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Alan Malloy <alan.NO.S  2008-04-24 11:42:11 
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dranon <dranon@[EMAIL   2008-04-25 02:58:53 
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Bob <rfrick@[EMAIL PRO  2008-04-20 23:17:32 
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Bob <rfrick@[EMAIL PRO  2008-04-20 23:44:27 
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Barry Margolin <barmar  2008-04-21 02:51:44 
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gazelle@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-21 15:20:21 
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Bob <rfrick@[EMAIL PRO  2008-04-21 05:20:31 
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David Stevenson <bridg  2008-04-25 14:24:48 
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dranon <dranon@[EMAIL   2008-04-25 12:48:33 
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gazelle@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-25 21:36:25 
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dranon <dranon@[EMAIL   2008-04-25 16:35:41 
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David Stevenson <bridg  2008-04-21 14:10:53 
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Bob <rfrick@[EMAIL PRO  2008-04-21 07:52:24 
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Bob <rfrick@[EMAIL PRO  2008-04-21 07:55:57 
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blackshoe <blackshoe@[  2008-04-21 08:19:38 
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Bob <rfrick@[EMAIL PRO  2008-04-21 09:07:49 
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gazelle@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-21 16:16:31 
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Bob <rfrick@[EMAIL PRO  2008-04-21 09:22:39 
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BBO expert <nym@[EMAIL  2008-04-21 13:38:36 
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blackshoe <blackshoe@[  2008-04-21 09:23:10 
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BBO expert <nym@[EMAIL  2008-04-21 13:39:50 
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blackshoe <blackshoe@[  2008-04-21 09:18:10 
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Bob <rfrick@[EMAIL PRO  2008-04-21 09:49:21 
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Bob <rfrick@[EMAIL PRO  2008-04-21 10:19:24 
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Bob <rfrick@[EMAIL PRO  2008-04-21 10:26:49 
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David Stevenson <bridg  2008-04-21 19:20:16 
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gazelle@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-21 18:45:02 
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gazelle@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-21 18:55:43 
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Kent Feiler <zzzz@[EMA  2008-04-21 15:16:04 
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Barry Margolin <barmar  2008-04-21 20:26:43 
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gazelle@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-22 00:30:45 
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David Stevenson <bridg  2008-04-22 00:01:41 
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dranon <dranon@[EMAIL   2008-04-21 16:26:59 
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Peter Smulders <dev0@[  2008-04-22 11:13:07 
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dranon <dranon@[EMAIL   2008-04-22 10:42:54 
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Peter Smulders <dev0@[  2008-04-23 00:35:09 
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dranon <dranon@[EMAIL   2008-04-22 16:01:47 
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Kent Feiler <zzzz@[EMA  2008-04-22 09:56:51 
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Steve Grant <ACE1242@[  2008-04-22 18:45:50 
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gazelle@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-22 23:09:26 
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Peter Smulders <dev0@[  2008-04-23 11:03:24 
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BBO expert <nym@[EMAIL  2008-04-23 09:27:50 
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gazelle@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-23 13:42:39 
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Peter Smulders <dev0@[  2008-04-23 17:19:31 
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gazelle@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-23 12:42:21 
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Kent Feiler <zzzz@[EMA  2008-04-23 11:22:55 
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Kent Feiler <zzzz@[EMA  2008-04-23 11:11:55 
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gazelle@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-23 19:21:45 
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Kent Feiler <zzzz@[EMA  2008-04-23 15:19:45 
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David Stevenson <bridg  2008-04-22 02:23:52 
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Barry Margolin <barmar  2008-04-21 21:55:15 
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blackshoe <blackshoe@[  2008-04-21 20:02:34 
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BBO expert <nym@[EMAIL  2008-04-22 10:46:35 
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"raija d" <m  2008-04-22 09:28:46 
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dranon <dranon@[EMAIL   2008-04-22 10:41:42 
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blackshoe <blackshoe@[  2008-04-21 20:30:19 
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BBO expert <nym@[EMAIL  2008-04-22 10:49:10 
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David Stevenson <bridg  2008-04-22 15:33:12 
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blackshoe <blackshoe@[  2008-04-22 08:01:29 
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BBO expert <nym@[EMAIL  2008-04-22 12:28:05 
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gazelle@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-22 16:26:52 
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OldPalooka <ashutts1@[  2008-04-22 10:05:22 
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dranon <dranon@[EMAIL   2008-04-22 10:30:19 
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BBO expert <nym@[EMAIL  2008-04-22 15:09:03 
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OldPalooka <ashutts1@[  2008-04-22 10:38:30 
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BBO expert <nym@[EMAIL  2008-04-22 15:02:56 
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OldPalooka <ashutts1@[  2008-04-22 10:47:47 
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dranon <dranon@[EMAIL   2008-04-22 11:47:43 
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OldPalooka <ashutts1@[  2008-04-22 10:55:22 
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OldPalooka <ashutts1@[  2008-04-22 10:57:05 
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OldPalooka <ashutts1@[  2008-04-22 17:21:22 
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Adam Beneschan <adam@[  2008-04-22 18:25:20 
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David Stevenson <bridg  2008-04-23 12:28:51 
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dranon <dranon@[EMAIL   2008-04-23 07:18:29 
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David Stevenson <bridg  2008-04-23 12:49:19 
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Kent Feiler <zzzz@[EMA  2008-04-23 12:42:26 
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Adam Beneschan <adam@[  2008-04-23 12:42:59 
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Kent Feiler <zzzz@[EMA  2008-04-23 15:54:23 
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Bob <rfrick@[EMAIL PRO  2008-04-23 19:30:42 
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blackshoe <blackshoe@[  2008-04-23 23:35:46 
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Bob <rfrick@[EMAIL PRO  2008-04-24 08:41:49 
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blackshoe <blackshoe@[  2008-04-24 15:04:21 
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Bob <rfrick@[EMAIL PRO  2008-04-25 06:01:46 
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blackshoe <blackshoe@[  2008-04-25 06:48:43 
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Bob <rfrick@[EMAIL PRO  2008-04-25 07:50:27 

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