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Re: great idea -- explain own bids

by Barry Margolin <barmar@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 21, 2008 at 02:51 AM

In article 
<39d88fb6-eb6d-4adf-be95-2b37bb01e9f0@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
 Bob <rfrick@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

> On Apr 21, 2:02 am, Barry Margolin <bar...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> 
> " I think the Laws are (confusingly) using different wording for what
> they intend to be the same concepts: agreements/understandings,
> significance, and meaning."
> 
> The same concept or the same concepts? The problem is that there are
> different concepts. To me "agreement", "understanding", and "meaning"
> are all different and seem at this time to be relatively easy to
> distinguish. And then why did they use different words if they meant
> the same concept? Of course, why did they use words without defining
> them, etc.

Since the meaning of a bid is whatever your partner****p has agreed to, 
the "meaning" and "agreement" are essentially the same thing.

> The other problem for me is defining "agreement". I can deal with
> agreement as encompassing the explicit agreements and the agreements
> formed by past auctions and the meta-agreements and meaning that can
> be extracted from knowing the agreements about other bids that weren't
> made. But my sense WAS that when we said "Cappelletti?' "Yes." there
> was more to our agreement then just this one word. But when I tried to
> explain what the "extended agreement" was, I couldn't identify it. Or,
> to be more precise, I couldn't find anything that also worked for
> doubles when we don't discuss when they are on, etc. That's when I
> latched onto the concept of "understanding".

What's going on here is that you don't REALLY have an agreement.  You 
have agreed to a convention by name, but this is too vague if there are 
many different understandings of how the convention is played.

-- 
Barry Margolin, barmar@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 MA
*** PLEASE don't copy me on replies, I'll read them in the group ***
 




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Bob <rfrick@[EMAIL PRO  2008-04-20 22:09:40 
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Bob <rfrick@[EMAIL PRO  2008-04-20 22:24:30 
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"raija d" <m  2008-04-20 22:47:37 
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David Stevenson <bridg  2008-04-23 12:26:07 
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dranon <dranon@[EMAIL   2008-04-23 07:17:36 
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"raija d" <m  2008-04-23 09:42:30 
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dranon <dranon@[EMAIL   2008-04-24 05:30:39 
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Martin Ambuhl <mambuhl  2008-04-21 01:57:29 
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Barry Margolin <barmar  2008-04-21 02:11:17 
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gazelle@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-21 15:12:33 
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Barry Margolin <barmar  2008-04-21 20:22:41 
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gazelle@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-22 00:32:58 
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gazelle@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-21 15:05:35 
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Bob <rfrick@[EMAIL PRO  2008-04-20 22:49:06 
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Barry Margolin <barmar  2008-04-21 02:02:50 
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Bob <rfrick@[EMAIL PRO  2008-04-20 23:10:52 
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"raija d" <m  2008-04-21 00:12:15 
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David Stevenson <bridg  2008-04-24 02:31:18 
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dranon <dranon@[EMAIL   2008-04-24 05:31:19 
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gazelle@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-24 15:01:55 
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dranon <dranon@[EMAIL   2008-04-25 02:57:15 
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Alan Malloy <alan.NO.S  2008-04-24 11:42:11 
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dranon <dranon@[EMAIL   2008-04-25 02:58:53 
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Bob <rfrick@[EMAIL PRO  2008-04-20 23:17:32 
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Bob <rfrick@[EMAIL PRO  2008-04-20 23:44:27 
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Barry Margolin <barmar  2008-04-21 02:51:44 
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gazelle@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-21 15:20:21 
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Bob <rfrick@[EMAIL PRO  2008-04-21 05:20:31 
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David Stevenson <bridg  2008-04-25 14:24:48 
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dranon <dranon@[EMAIL   2008-04-25 12:48:33 
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gazelle@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-25 21:36:25 
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dranon <dranon@[EMAIL   2008-04-25 16:35:41 
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David Stevenson <bridg  2008-04-21 14:10:53 
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Bob <rfrick@[EMAIL PRO  2008-04-21 07:52:24 
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Bob <rfrick@[EMAIL PRO  2008-04-21 07:55:57 
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blackshoe <blackshoe@[  2008-04-21 08:19:38 
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Bob <rfrick@[EMAIL PRO  2008-04-21 09:07:49 
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gazelle@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-21 16:16:31 
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Bob <rfrick@[EMAIL PRO  2008-04-21 09:22:39 
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BBO expert <nym@[EMAIL  2008-04-21 13:38:36 
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blackshoe <blackshoe@[  2008-04-21 09:23:10 
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BBO expert <nym@[EMAIL  2008-04-21 13:39:50 
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Bob <rfrick@[EMAIL PRO  2008-04-21 09:49:21 
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Bob <rfrick@[EMAIL PRO  2008-04-21 10:19:24 
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Bob <rfrick@[EMAIL PRO  2008-04-21 10:26:49 
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David Stevenson <bridg  2008-04-21 19:20:16 
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gazelle@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-21 18:45:02 
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gazelle@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-21 18:55:43 
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Kent Feiler <zzzz@[EMA  2008-04-21 15:16:04 
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Barry Margolin <barmar  2008-04-21 20:26:43 
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gazelle@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-22 00:30:45 
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David Stevenson <bridg  2008-04-22 00:01:41 
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dranon <dranon@[EMAIL   2008-04-21 16:26:59 
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Peter Smulders <dev0@[  2008-04-22 11:13:07 
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dranon <dranon@[EMAIL   2008-04-22 10:42:54 
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Peter Smulders <dev0@[  2008-04-23 00:35:09 
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dranon <dranon@[EMAIL   2008-04-22 16:01:47 
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Kent Feiler <zzzz@[EMA  2008-04-22 09:56:51 
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Steve Grant <ACE1242@[  2008-04-22 18:45:50 
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gazelle@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-22 23:09:26 
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Peter Smulders <dev0@[  2008-04-23 11:03:24 
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BBO expert <nym@[EMAIL  2008-04-23 09:27:50 
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gazelle@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-23 13:42:39 
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Peter Smulders <dev0@[  2008-04-23 17:19:31 
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gazelle@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-23 12:42:21 
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Kent Feiler <zzzz@[EMA  2008-04-23 11:22:55 
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Kent Feiler <zzzz@[EMA  2008-04-23 11:11:55 
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gazelle@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-23 19:21:45 
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Kent Feiler <zzzz@[EMA  2008-04-23 15:19:45 
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David Stevenson <bridg  2008-04-22 02:23:52 
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Barry Margolin <barmar  2008-04-21 21:55:15 
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blackshoe <blackshoe@[  2008-04-21 20:02:34 
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BBO expert <nym@[EMAIL  2008-04-22 10:46:35 
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"raija d" <m  2008-04-22 09:28:46 
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dranon <dranon@[EMAIL   2008-04-22 10:41:42 
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blackshoe <blackshoe@[  2008-04-21 20:30:19 
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BBO expert <nym@[EMAIL  2008-04-22 10:49:10 
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David Stevenson <bridg  2008-04-22 15:33:12 
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blackshoe <blackshoe@[  2008-04-22 08:01:29 
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BBO expert <nym@[EMAIL  2008-04-22 12:28:05 
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gazelle@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-22 16:26:52 
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OldPalooka <ashutts1@[  2008-04-22 10:05:22 
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dranon <dranon@[EMAIL   2008-04-22 10:30:19 
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BBO expert <nym@[EMAIL  2008-04-22 15:09:03 
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OldPalooka <ashutts1@[  2008-04-22 10:38:30 
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BBO expert <nym@[EMAIL  2008-04-22 15:02:56 
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OldPalooka <ashutts1@[  2008-04-22 10:47:47 
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dranon <dranon@[EMAIL   2008-04-22 11:47:43 
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OldPalooka <ashutts1@[  2008-04-22 10:55:22 
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Adam Beneschan <adam@[  2008-04-22 18:25:20 
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David Stevenson <bridg  2008-04-23 12:28:51 
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dranon <dranon@[EMAIL   2008-04-23 07:18:29 
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David Stevenson <bridg  2008-04-23 12:49:19 
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Kent Feiler <zzzz@[EMA  2008-04-23 12:42:26 
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Adam Beneschan <adam@[  2008-04-23 12:42:59 
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Kent Feiler <zzzz@[EMA  2008-04-23 15:54:23 
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Bob <rfrick@[EMAIL PRO  2008-04-23 19:30:42 
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blackshoe <blackshoe@[  2008-04-23 23:35:46 
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Bob <rfrick@[EMAIL PRO  2008-04-24 08:41:49 
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blackshoe <blackshoe@[  2008-04-24 15:04:21 
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Bob <rfrick@[EMAIL PRO  2008-04-25 06:01:46 
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blackshoe <blackshoe@[  2008-04-25 06:48:43 
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Bob <rfrick@[EMAIL PRO  2008-04-25 07:50:27 

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