<gandalfnf@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> You seem to be leaving out a lot and so far all I have seen is a very
> unfamilar system that has taken advantage of the lack of knowledge
> about it from the opponents. Let's go back to what we know.
>
> 1C You have stated that it is 8 HCP but in another post you just had a
> King, a Queen, and a Jack along with a singleton. That seems to be 6
> HCP to me.
Actually, I have come closer to saying it is NOT 8 HCP. It is 8 with
distribution count.
>
> 1H response to 1C. In another post you stated partner had just a pair
> of Queens.
COULD have 2Qs for HCP, but that would.require a void and a doubleton
distribution. Quite possible a playable hand!
> In another post you refered to the system as Welos. I looked this up
> and the one reference I could find has
>
> 1c/1D/1H/1S - 8-1 or 16+
Yes, Larssen had his obsruction thing wrong I think, but ..
I posted a request for a site with hand shape+count data.
> Well is that what you are playing and if so don't you think the comment
> that 1C shows 8+ might be a little misleading.
You mean '8-11 or 16+'?
Yes. I should have, and always did, say that. I might well have forgotten
anyway after these years, but remember, I was illustrating the idea that a
convention card can't really say enough, not illustrating the system
>
> What is so hard about answering the question about 1C (or any one bid
> in your system), is it forcing for one round?
No. Why would it be? And unless they changed the definitions in these
intervening years,
'natural' should preclude the question. 'Forcing' would make it a
'treatment' at least.
Answer: I haven't really discussed game-force openers yet.
> What is so hard about defining a point range for the 1H bid? Could you
> do it on 0 points? What is the maximum you could do it on? not hard
> questions
The response, standard minimum up to less than game force.
> Why do you seem to object to alerting both your 1C opener and the 1H
> response. They both may be natural but they are not what the opponents
> are expecting and that is part of the alert procedures.
Who objected?
About the only thing that isn't alertable is the MIDI/weak NT, and it
should
be alerted as being a surprisingly standard bid! lol
Even the limit raises are alertable because of the unusual ranges.
>
> How can a system be so easy to learn (15 minutes) and yet so hard to
> but down on paper in a simple outline?
The discussion never came up when possible partner didn't already
understand
4-cdmajors and prepared rebids.
Then, it was very simple;
A. use distributional count as well as HCP
B. if it is 12-15 open 1NT or a Two.
C. Otherwise, w/8or more and no game force, open one.
D. always show sup****t right away
E. raises are limit, so 1-2 shows 6/7-14 or 10-14 if freebid
F. only jump ****fts are forcing
G. opener w/MINI can rebid w/oshowing extra values
H. Stong NT rebid
I. relay over all twos.
Then we decide how to play 2/2 and what our game-force opener is.
First time out, usually we just say three bids are old standard two bids,
and assign 2NT and 3NT standard values.
But the basics are already known and understood before we have to get the
details.
> I am not going to defend the ACBL policy of what it allows in normal
> tournament play (I think they are too restricitve) but so far we have
> nothing to judge your system by except your own comments that it is so
> good.
Actually, I said it was fun.
And I presented actual numbers.
Lord knows what those numbers would have been were I the card player my
partners were.
> Nick France
LOL
I just now saw who it was.
eleaticus
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