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Re: Whoopee!

by Otis Bricker <obricker@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sep 6, 2006 at 12:23 PM

"eleaticus" <eleaticus@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in news:ESqLg.3387$Ca4.2792
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> "Otis Bricker" <obricker@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:Xns9835D31EAFBF9obrickermydejanewsco@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> "eleaticus" <eleaticus@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in
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>> > "Susan" <sdbratt48@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> > news:%AhLg.591$vb1.9@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> If you fill out a convention card, why is this a problem?
>> >
>> > Couple things.
>> >
>> > You can't fill out the ramifications, which in WELOS are many (and
>> > obvious once you 'get' the simple structure).
>> >
>> > But no matter what you see, or hear, during alerts,  some people just
>> > can't get it that sequences that sound standard to them aren't:
>> >
>> > Me:   1C (Alert! Promises four clubs but could be as little as 8
TOTAL
>> > points.)
>> > pass.
>> > Ted;  1H (Alert! Denies four card or better sup****t  and is
>> > non-forcing.) pass.
>> > ME:   pass.
>> > HUNH?!
>> >
>> > Ted could have two queens and a singleton diamond, and I could have a
>> > king, a queen, a jack, and a singleton spade (or diamond!)
>> >
>> > Third hand may have passed, with the idea of puni****ng us when we got
>> > too high.
>> >
>> > Second hand/balancer might not be able to connect the 8 total points
>> > to the opener she thinks she heard me bid.
>> >
>> > However, the damn ACBL lawyers decided to protect the little ol'
>> > ladies of Wichita, and elsewhere.
>> >
>>
>> Sadly, this post seems to suggest that you think at least one foe the
>> success you have is that they opponents are unfamiliar with your style.
>>
>> That does not sound s****ting to me.
> 
> Once again, when after three months of frequent play so-called experts
> aren't getting what can be learned in 15 minutes ...
> 


First, based on the length of the notes you posted and your comment on 
folks missing implications, I think you claim of 15 minutes is a bit 
optimistic.

But moving past that, let us look at some numbers. Three months or weekly 
games translates to 13 games with perfect attendence. Each game would have

the opponents face you for one round of 3 boards(maybe 2 if the game is of

reasonable size) assuming a perfect movement. So in three months, these 
pairs will have faced all of 39 hands playing against you. Not a large 
sample.

And that is just the start. Half of these have them in first seat. As a 
ballpark estimate lets say that 30% of those are opened. And there are
some 
hands where you will not open. Assuming that, as you stated, you open
about 
66% of the time,  I would guess that the average opponent will have had
<24 
hands where they could see your style in action over three months. And
they 
have a week between sessions each time to forget any minor new
implications 
that those few hands may have taught them. 

That does not include the hands where your style is only evident by its 
absence. Without complete knowledge of your style/system, will opponents 
realize that you would not have passed with a doubleton and 7 HCP? Will 
they realize that once you show up with doubleton and an AQ elsewhere, 
finessing your partner for everything is a sure bet? Ot that once you have

shown 5 HCP, a void is not possible? Does you pre-annoucement make this 
sort of thing clear or do they have to experience it once to see the 
implications?


I really think you underestimate both the simple value of playing a 
radically different system and the ease with which an opponent will become

familiar with all the implications.

OB
 




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"eleaticus" <  2006-09-05 01:18:58 
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"Porsche_Dan" &  2006-09-05 02:23:37 
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"Gerben Dirksen"  2006-09-05 12:07:44 
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"eleaticus" <  2006-09-05 18:09:17 
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Otis Bricker <obricker  2006-09-05 06:55:06 
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"eleaticus" <  2006-09-05 18:16:58 
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Otis Bricker <obricker  2006-09-05 19:41:03 
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thissteve@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2006-09-05 06:13:58 
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"eleaticus" <  2006-09-05 18:18:32 
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"John Crinnion"  2006-09-05 08:27:31 
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"eleaticus" <  2006-09-05 18:23:48 
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henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2006-09-05 09:20:45 
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"eleaticus" <  2006-09-05 18:25:48 
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"Susan" <sdb  2006-09-05 11:28:49 
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"eleaticus" <  2006-09-05 19:10:02 
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Otis Bricker <obricker  2006-09-05 19:45:14 
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"eleaticus" <  2006-09-05 21:39:16 
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Otis Bricker <obricker  2006-09-06 12:23:37 
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"eleaticus" <  2006-09-06 16:30:18 
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Otis Bricker <obricker  2006-09-06 22:24:01 
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"eleaticus" <  2006-09-06 22:28:21 
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"Bob" <bob@[  2006-09-05 09:56:07 
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"Will in New Haven&q  2006-09-05 12:25:42 
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"eleaticus" <  2006-09-05 18:35:49 
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"minus200(DELETETHIS  2006-09-05 23:05:25 
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"eleaticus" <  2006-09-05 23:10:17 
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"minus200(DELETETHIS  2006-09-06 15:15:13 
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"eleaticus" <  2006-09-06 16:24:50 
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"minus200(DELETETHIS  2006-09-05 15:37:17 
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"eleaticus" <  2006-09-05 18:49:21 
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"William Coleman&quo  2006-09-05 21:12:36 
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"eleaticus" <  2006-09-05 19:28:55 
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"Bob" <bob@[  2006-09-05 14:52:01 
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"William Coleman&quo  2006-09-05 22:21:22 
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"eleaticus" <  2006-09-05 18:55:18 
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"Bob" <bob@[  2006-09-05 15:30:44 
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"Will in New Haven&q  2006-09-05 16:47:13 
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michael@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2006-09-06 09:06:53 
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"minus200(DELETETHIS  2006-09-06 15:31:31 
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michael@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2006-09-07 08:45:49 
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"Bob" <bob@[  2006-09-05 16:50:24 
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"eleaticus" <  2006-09-05 18:52:02 
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Rob Morris <rm445@[EMA  2006-09-06 11:16:09 
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"Bob" <bob@[  2006-09-05 17:03:20 
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"Will in New Haven&q  2006-09-05 18:29:16 
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henrysun909@[EMAIL PROTEC  2006-09-05 19:00:38 
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"eleaticus" <  2006-09-05 21:37:11 
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"Nigel" <nig  2006-09-05 19:04:41 
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"Nigel" <nig  2006-09-05 19:21:50 
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gandalfnf@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2006-09-05 19:39:05 
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"eleaticus" <  2006-09-05 21:44:25 
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"Bob" <bob@[  2006-09-05 19:54:30 
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"Nigel" <nig  2006-09-05 20:30:36 
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"raija d" <m  2006-09-06 00:00:06 
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gandalfnf@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2006-09-06 09:51:04 
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"eleaticus" <  2006-09-06 16:57:46 
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gandalfnf@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2006-09-06 10:16:40 
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"eleaticus" <  2006-09-06 17:00:00 
Re: OT: Whoopee!
"Adam Beneschan"  2006-09-06 14:33:54 
Re: OT: Whoopee!
Otis Bricker <obricker  2006-09-06 22:46:17 

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