"Adam Beneschan" <adam@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> Mmbridge wrote:
>> "Paul K****sen" <bigkahuna@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>> > Greets, all.
>> >
>> > Playing SAYC we bid to slam using Gerber along the way. Afterwards,
I
>> > was astonished to hear both opps say it should have been alerted.
>> >
>> > I believe Gerber is part of SAYC (and indeed of Goren!) and need not
>> > be alerted. What does the group think?
>
> The fact that something is "Goren" doesn't make things unalertable,
> because certain things that used to be standard long ago have changed
> substantially. For instance, in the 1944 Goren book I first learned
> from, jump overcalls to 2NT or in a suit used to show huge hands. But
> almost nobody does that any more, and those are now alertable (in the
> ACBL). So is a penalty double after partner's suit opening bid and
> RHO's suit overcall---double here used to be penalty in standard Goren.
>
> According to my SAYC document, Gerber is part of SAYC only after 1NT,
> 2NT, and 2C-2D-2NT openings.
>
>
>> I assume we are discussing specifically what is alertable on
*OKbridge*.
>> See below (from the sayc.ok Convention Card file).
>>
>> Slam-Bids BLK, GSF, DOPI, Gerber over 1N, 2N openings, resps and
>> rebids
>>
>> So if your side opened with 1N or 2N - not alertable.
>>
>> If you opened with anything else and then bid 4C as Gerber - alertable.
>
> I don't know how OKB handles this, but the ACBL alert regulations tend
> to treat 2C-2D-2N (and 1C-1D-1N if playing a big club system) as
> equivalent to 2NT or 1NT openings for the purposes of their alert
> regulations. It would seem odd if 4C Gerber were alertable after
> 2C-2D-2N, especially since my SAYC document says it's Gerber.
First off, anything you are playing with a big club is alertable on
OKbridge
because by definition it is non-SAYC.
As far as 2C/2D/2N, I agree with you, but because it is rare and because I
didn't have the full SAYC definition handy, I decided not to speak about
it
specifically.
I agree that, *by default*, systems over 2C/2D/2N and 2N opening should be
the same.
Mmbridge
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