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> "Mmbridge" <jimfox00@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > "Raija" <kaima13@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > "John Schuler" <jrs@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > 1N* 2C
> > > > > 2D 3D
> > > > > P
> > > > >
> > > > > *12-15
> > > > >
> > > > > I held (in on online tournament):
> > > > >
> > > > > x
> > > > > JTx
> > > > > Kxxxxx
> > > > > AKxx
> > > > >
> > > > > The opponents, upon seeing dummy, made comments like "I'm
> > > tired of this
> > > > > kind of crap", etc. I had NO idea what they were talking
> about
> > > at first,
> > > > > and eventually they called the director. They complained
> that
> > > 2C should
> > > > > be alerted if it didn't promise a 4 card major.
> > > > >
> > > > > To my utter astonishment, the director agreed! Alerting
> never
> > > occurred
> > > > > to me. At the time I ascribed this to an ignorant director
> and
> > > 2 more
> > > > > whining opponents* Is this really an alert?
> > > >
> > > > Depends on which on-line service. If it was OKbridge, then
> not
> > > alertable.
> > >
> > > Well, this just isn't correct. Stayman is alertable in OKB
> > > tournaments if it does not guarantee 4card major. Whether
> this is
> > > sensible or not, is beside the point.
> > > Raija Davis
> >
> > I don't understand your logic. The description on the OKbridge
> website is as
> > follows:
> >
> > Responses and Later Bidding After a 15-17 1NT Opening:
> >
> > "2C is "non-forcing" Stayman, meaning that the bidding can stop
> in two of a
> > suit.
> >
> > Opener must rebid either 2D, 2H, or 2S. Usually responder has a
> minimum of 8
> > HCP. However, it can be used in cases where responder has little
> HCP and
> > intends to pass any response, ie if responder has 4-4-4-1 shape
> and club
> > singleton, any response can be passed and hopefully assured of a
> better
> > contract. If opener has 4-4 in majors, opener bids 2. If
> responder rebids
> > three of either minor, it shows slam interest and at least a
> five-card suit.
> > If responder instead bids other major, it shows 5 cards in that
> major
> > (implying 4 in other), but is forcing to game only if bid at 3
> level."
> >
> > Nowhere do I see any reference to a 4-card major being required.
> Thus no
> > alert required if no 4-card major.
> >
> > Maybe you are thinking of some other version of Standard
> American other than
> > "OKbridge Standard American Yellow Card". FYI OKbridge SAYC
> deviates from
> > ACBL SAYC in some respects.
> >
>
> No I am not thinking of any other version, plus I have first hand
> experience. Have been instructed by director to alert 2C if it
> does not guarantee 4 card major (I usually play 4-suuit transfers
> so 2C does not promise 4card major). Feel free to check on it. I
> know what I am talking about.
FYI, there are several directors on OKbridge and they don't always agree.
That is why I intentionally chose to go to the "hard copy" (OKbridge
webpage) as a more reliable authority.
Mmbridge
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