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Re: Cube action?

by Raccoon <racgammon@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 16, 2008 at 05:37 AM

On Apr 13, 6:07=A0pm, pauldepst...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
> =A0In fact, the action would have to be extremely marginal for the
> money cube action to differ from the cube action. =A0Of course, the
> score can be highly relevant if a player is 4 away or less or if the
> cube is very high.

Actually, in the second position, the match score and cube value
already matter a lot. mpetch (O) leads 8-away 13-away, the cube is
already on 2, it's going to 4, and may go to 8 -- and if it goes to 8,
it's going to 16.

Here's the position:

    +24-23-22-21-20-19------18-17-16-15-14-13-+  O:
    | O  O  O  X     O |   | O                |
    | O  O  O  X       |   |                  |
    |    O  O          |   |                  |
    |    O  O          |   |                  |
    |       7          |   |                  |
    |                  |BAR|                  |v
    |                  |   |                  |
    |                  |   |                  |
    |    X  X          |   |                  |
    |    X  X  X  X  X |   |                  |  On roll
    |    X  X  X  X  X |   |    X             |
    +-1--2--3--4--5--6-------7--8--9-10-11-12-+  X: (Cube: 2)

In a money game, X has at best a marginal redouble/take to 4:

Cubeful equities:
1. Double, take         +0.408
2. Double, pass         +1.000  ( +0.592)
3. No double            +0.396  ( -0.012)

Win   G     BG      Lose  G     BG    Cubeless Cubeful
0.588 0.144 0.005 - 0.412 0.009 0.000 +0.633   +0.408

After redouble/take, if X misses the shot, O should redouble and X
must drop. O's game winning chances are in the high 80s, and O's
gammon chances are about 10 to 18%, depending on what X rolled. So O
should double and collect 4 points, rather than play on.

At the match score, Monty (X) has a huge redouble/take to 4:

1. Double, take         +0.772
2. Double, pass         +1.000  ( +0.228)
3. No double            +0.441  ( -0.330)

Win   G     BG      Lose  G     BG
0.587 0.150 0.005 - 0.413 0.057 0.000

If X misses the shot, what happens? In a money game, O redoubles to 8
and X drops. But at this score, O should redouble to 8 and X must
take!

For example, O misses with 6-6:

Cubeful equities:
1. Double, take         87.00%
2. Double, pass         89.40%  (  2.40%)
3. No double            86.12%  ( -0.87%)

Win   G     BG      Lose  G     BG
0.870 0.006 0.000 - 0.130 0.002 0.000

For example, O misses with 4-1:

Cubeful equities:
1. Double, take         85.99%
2. Double, pass         89.40%  (  3.41%)
3. No double            85.25%  ( -0.74%)

Win   G     BG      Lose  G     BG
0.860 0.175 0.000 - 0.140 0.003 0.000
 




 20 Posts in Topic:
Cube action?
Raccoon <racgammon@[EM  2008-04-13 11:02:24 
Re: Cube action?
Walt <walt_askier@[EMA  2008-04-13 18:10:35 
Re: Cube action?
pauldepstein@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-04-13 18:07:47 
Re: Cube action?
Michael Petch <mpetch@  2008-04-14 01:50:23 
Re: Cube action?
Walt <walt_askier@[EMA  2008-04-14 12:33:08 
Re: Cube action?
Raccoon <racgammon@[EM  2008-04-15 03:10:21 
Re: Cube action?
monty1945@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-04-15 13:53:47 
Re: Cube action?
Michael Petch <mpetch@  2008-04-15 21:16:30 
Re: Cube action?
monty1945@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-04-15 14:37:14 
Re: Cube action?
bob <bob_koca@[EMAIL P  2008-04-15 18:50:50 
Re: Cube action?
pauldepstein@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-04-15 23:56:08 
Re: Cube action?
Raccoon <racgammon@[EM  2008-04-16 05:37:36 
Re: Cube action?
bob <bob_koca@[EMAIL P  2008-04-16 13:45:59 
Re: Cube action?
pauldepstein@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-04-16 19:02:59 
Re: Cube action?
bob <bob_koca@[EMAIL P  2008-04-17 11:50:50 
Re: Cube action?
pauldepstein@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-04-17 19:45:33 
Re: Cube action?
bob <bob_koca@[EMAIL P  2008-04-17 22:10:46 
Re: Cube action?
pauldepstein@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-04-18 03:28:49 
Re: Cube action?
bob <bob_koca@[EMAIL P  2008-04-18 08:39:01 
Re: Cube action?
pauldepstein@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-04-18 18:40:09 

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