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Are the number of variants to chess of Aleph nature or not? (was Re:

by Rich Hutnik <richardhutnik@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 16, 2008 at 01:58 PM

On Apr 15, 3:53 pm, Quadibloc <jsav...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On Apr 12, 11:08 pm, Rich Hutnik <richardhut...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > But, if one is working with Chess Variants, then the issue does
> > arise that if the number of variants is finite, then you can have a
> > classification system in place that could capture them all, and even
> > simplify, and perhaps bridge them.
>
> I think that one can always go 'outside the system' and come up with a
> reasonable new Chess variant that is not included in any
> classification system, even if that system embraces an infinite number
> of variants.
>
> Yet, the fact that people can only handle games up to a certain finite
> level of complexity means that the number of Chess variants is finite.
>
> A large, but poorly-defined finite set, therefore, can behave for
> practical purposes as if it had properties that, in an exact
> mathematical sense, can only apply to a set with at least aleph-one
> elements. This doesn't defy any law of mathematics (and, indeed, due
> to the subject matter, I've pulled sci.math back in, since it's
> relevant now).
>
> John Savard

So, then, to make this more mathematical, are the number of rules
variants for a game like chess an Aleph of any sort?  I will re: this
topic to have it ask that.  Maybe someone else who is more math(y) in
their knowledge could frame this in a more mathematically proper form.

- Rich
 




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richardhutnik@[EMAIL PROT  2008-04-07 07:55:10 
Re: Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
Guy Macon <http://www.  2008-04-07 17:02:21 
Re: Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
richardhutnik@[EMAIL PROT  2008-04-07 10:29:35 
Re: Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
Guy Macon <http://www.  2008-04-07 21:13:22 
Re: Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
richardhutnik@[EMAIL PROT  2008-04-07 14:32:30 
Re: Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
Quadibloc <jsavard@[EM  2008-04-07 18:40:08 
Re: Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
Quadibloc <jsavard@[EM  2008-04-07 18:41:36 
Re: Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
Harald Korneliussen <v  2008-04-08 02:52:14 
Re: Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
"Wlodzimierz Holszty  2008-04-08 18:40:16 
Re: Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
Simon Smith <simon_smi  2008-04-10 21:41:57 
Re: Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
"Wlodzimierz Holszty  2008-04-08 19:19:40 
Re: Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
richardhutnik@[EMAIL PROT  2008-04-09 08:30:39 
Re: Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
Quadibloc <jsavard@[EM  2008-04-09 10:48:53 
Re: Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
Quadibloc <jsavard@[EM  2008-04-09 19:52:40 
Re: Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
Quadibloc <jsavard@[EM  2008-04-10 06:37:15 
Re: Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
richardhutnik@[EMAIL PROT  2008-04-10 09:20:24 
Re: Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
richardhutnik@[EMAIL PROT  2008-04-10 09:25:59 
Re: Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
Quadibloc <jsavard@[EM  2008-04-10 09:58:20 
Re: Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
richardhutnik@[EMAIL PROT  2008-04-10 11:40:47 
Re: Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
richardhutnik@[EMAIL PROT  2008-04-10 11:45:17 
Re: Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
Quadibloc <jsavard@[EM  2008-04-10 16:53:17 
Re: Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
Quadibloc <jsavard@[EM  2008-04-10 17:00:33 
Re: Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
richardhutnik@[EMAIL PROT  2008-04-10 17:57:47 
Re: Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
richardhutnik@[EMAIL PROT  2008-04-10 18:06:22 
Is Calvinball Chess possible?
Guy Macon <http://www.  2008-04-11 10:36:26 
Re: Is Calvinball Chess possible?
Quadibloc <jsavard@[EM  2008-04-11 05:54:04 
Re: Is Calvinball Chess possible?
Rich Hutnik <richardhu  2008-04-12 22:00:55 
Re: Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
Rich Hutnik <richardhu  2008-04-12 22:08:30 
Re: Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
Quadibloc <jsavard@[EM  2008-04-15 12:53:12 
Are the number of variants to chess of Aleph nature or not? (was
Rich Hutnik <richardhu  2008-04-16 13:58:44 
Re: Are the number of variants to chess of Aleph nature or not?
Guy Macon <http://www.  2008-04-16 22:48:49 
Re: Are the number of variants to chess of Aleph nature or not?
David Richerby <davidr  2008-04-17 11:56:15 
Re: Are the number of variants to chess of Aleph nature or not?
William Hughes <wpihug  2008-04-16 15:42:27 
Re: Are the number of variants to chess of Aleph nature or not?
Quadibloc <jsavard@[EM  2008-04-16 18:58:13 
Re: Are the number of variants to chess of Aleph nature or not?
jsavard@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-17 03:40:18 
Re: Are the number of variants to chess of Aleph nature or not?
David Richerby <davidr  2008-04-17 11:58:13 
Re: Are the number of variants to chess of Aleph nature or not?
Ed Murphy <emurphy42@[  2008-04-18 06:31:26 
Re: Are the number of variants to chess of Aleph nature or not?
David Richerby <davidr  2008-04-18 16:28:23 
Re: Are the number of variants to chess of Aleph nature or not?
Rich Hutnik <richardhu  2008-04-17 22:43:40 

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