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Re: Is Calvinball Chess possible?

by Rich Hutnik <richardhutnik@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 12, 2008 at 10:00 PM

On Apr 11, 8:54 am, Quadibloc <jsav...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On Apr 11, 4:36 am, Guy Macon <http://www.guymacon.com/>
wrote:
>
>
>
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit
>
> > Quadibloc wrote:
> > >Also, I'm thinking in terms of digital games like Chess. If one
thinks
> > >of an analog game like Billiards, the number of board positions is
> > >infinite.
>
> > Unless, of course, the Planck Length (1.61609735=D710^-35 meters) is
> > the quantum of distance and the Planck Time (5.3907205=D710^-44
Seconds)=

> > is the quantum of time.  If they are, then the number of positions in
> > Billiards is finite.  The smallest difference in starting billiard
ball
> > position that can lead to a difference in ending billiard ball
position
> > that is larger than the resolution of the human eye is far larger than
> > the Planck Length.
>
> > As for a game with infinite variations, the human brain has a large
> > but finite number of possible states, and thus such a game would
> > have to map multiple variations to one brain state, and thus the
> > brain would see those multiple variations as being the same variation.
>
> Yes, I am oversimplifying. After all, a game like PONG by Atari,
> although it mapped a game played with idealized physical objects to a
> digital system with a finite number of states, was adequate.
>
> A game that is finite, but not in a well-defined way, whose boundaries
> are not obvious like those of my Random Variant Chess, that has,
> instead of 10^5 sets of rules, 10^1000 sets of rules, of which
> somewhere around 10^100 are distinguishable but one can't really put a
> finger on the exact number... would be perhaps as close to Hera****ean
> Chess as one might get in the real world, but it might be close
> enough.
>
> John Savard

I believe to get at the answer to this question, there either has to
be an infinite number of specific rule categories with a set number of
states, or a single rule category that has an infinite number of
rules.  Outside of an infinite sized board, or varying the amount of
time people have to play (or make their turns), the question then
becomes, whether or not there is either an infinite number of rules
categories, or a given category (such as pieces) that is infinite.

- Rich
 




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Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
richardhutnik@[EMAIL PROT  2008-04-07 07:55:10 
Re: Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
Guy Macon <http://www.  2008-04-07 17:02:21 
Re: Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
richardhutnik@[EMAIL PROT  2008-04-07 10:29:35 
Re: Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
Guy Macon <http://www.  2008-04-07 21:13:22 
Re: Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
richardhutnik@[EMAIL PROT  2008-04-07 14:32:30 
Re: Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
Quadibloc <jsavard@[EM  2008-04-07 18:40:08 
Re: Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
Quadibloc <jsavard@[EM  2008-04-07 18:41:36 
Re: Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
Harald Korneliussen <v  2008-04-08 02:52:14 
Re: Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
"Wlodzimierz Holszty  2008-04-08 18:40:16 
Re: Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
Simon Smith <simon_smi  2008-04-10 21:41:57 
Re: Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
"Wlodzimierz Holszty  2008-04-08 19:19:40 
Re: Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
richardhutnik@[EMAIL PROT  2008-04-09 08:30:39 
Re: Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
Quadibloc <jsavard@[EM  2008-04-09 10:48:53 
Re: Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
Quadibloc <jsavard@[EM  2008-04-09 19:52:40 
Re: Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
Quadibloc <jsavard@[EM  2008-04-10 06:37:15 
Re: Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
richardhutnik@[EMAIL PROT  2008-04-10 09:20:24 
Re: Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
richardhutnik@[EMAIL PROT  2008-04-10 09:25:59 
Re: Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
Quadibloc <jsavard@[EM  2008-04-10 09:58:20 
Re: Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
richardhutnik@[EMAIL PROT  2008-04-10 11:40:47 
Re: Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
richardhutnik@[EMAIL PROT  2008-04-10 11:45:17 
Re: Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
Quadibloc <jsavard@[EM  2008-04-10 16:53:17 
Re: Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
Quadibloc <jsavard@[EM  2008-04-10 17:00:33 
Re: Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
richardhutnik@[EMAIL PROT  2008-04-10 17:57:47 
Re: Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
richardhutnik@[EMAIL PROT  2008-04-10 18:06:22 
Is Calvinball Chess possible?
Guy Macon <http://www.  2008-04-11 10:36:26 
Re: Is Calvinball Chess possible?
Quadibloc <jsavard@[EM  2008-04-11 05:54:04 
Re: Is Calvinball Chess possible?
Rich Hutnik <richardhu  2008-04-12 22:00:55 
Re: Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
Rich Hutnik <richardhu  2008-04-12 22:08:30 
Re: Is Heraclitian (aka Calvinball) Chess possible?
Quadibloc <jsavard@[EM  2008-04-15 12:53:12 
Are the number of variants to chess of Aleph nature or not? (was
Rich Hutnik <richardhu  2008-04-16 13:58:44 
Re: Are the number of variants to chess of Aleph nature or not?
Guy Macon <http://www.  2008-04-16 22:48:49 
Re: Are the number of variants to chess of Aleph nature or not?
David Richerby <davidr  2008-04-17 11:56:15 
Re: Are the number of variants to chess of Aleph nature or not?
William Hughes <wpihug  2008-04-16 15:42:27 
Re: Are the number of variants to chess of Aleph nature or not?
Quadibloc <jsavard@[EM  2008-04-16 18:58:13 
Re: Are the number of variants to chess of Aleph nature or not?
jsavard@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-17 03:40:18 
Re: Are the number of variants to chess of Aleph nature or not?
David Richerby <davidr  2008-04-17 11:58:13 
Re: Are the number of variants to chess of Aleph nature or not?
Ed Murphy <emurphy42@[  2008-04-18 06:31:26 
Re: Are the number of variants to chess of Aleph nature or not?
David Richerby <davidr  2008-04-18 16:28:23 
Re: Are the number of variants to chess of Aleph nature or not?
Rich Hutnik <richardhu  2008-04-17 22:43:40 

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