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Re: Fischer's death again begs the question: Why is there no chess on TV now?

by "Chess One" <OneChess@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mar 23, 2008 at 12:20 PM

"David Richerby" <davidr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
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> Chess One <OneChess@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> "David Richerby" <davidr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>   36.8% of games (167,000) are won by White
>>>   36.6% of games (166,000) are drawn
>>>   26.6% of games (120,000) are won by Black
>>>
>>> We already have 63.4% of games ending in a win by one player or the
>>> other.  Is it really necessary to `solve' this `draw problem'?
>>
>> a) The other idea being kicked around [and collated at Chessbase] is
>> to maintain current scoring systems in terms of overall points, but
>> to adjust the score for white draws to 0.4 and black draws to 0.6.
>
> That would ****ft the points balance towards Black: White would score
> 51.4% and Black 48.6%.  Of course, in practice, the distribution of
> wins and draws would change, too.
>
> Indeed, this is something that worries me a great deal about plans to
> change the scoring of draws.  Schemes where the sum of the two
> players' scores in a draw is less than that in a win have problems
> associated with the game no longer being zero-sum and increasing the
> profit of cheating.  Schemes that keep draws worth one point in total
> but give more of that point to one side or the other seem to increase
> the temptation for the player who gets more points (usually Black) to
> play for the draw.  This would be the case particularly in schemes
> where Black gets more than about 73% of the point, as, then, Black
> would be getting more than half of his score from draws, at the
> current rates of draws.

Yes - your final phrase is a pertinent one - since I think a zero-sum 
distribution slightly favoring black would change the current draw-rate.

>> d) I wonder if W : D : L is significantly different in the top 1% of
>> players than to all other players of the game? And if so, then at
>> /that/ level some experiments might be made.
>
> Yes, the results are clearly different at different strengths.  Among
> beginners, hardly any games are drawn; among the very top players,
> well over half of the games are drawn.

In 800 corres games last year I had 5 [?] draws against opponents ranging 
from 1400 to 2800. Similarly at the chess club there are few draws - so 
maybe its not just beginners who are more decisive, but something like 99%

of all games?

USCF's overall results, would statistically answer that query

Corddally, Phil Innes.

>> e) Given the introduction of computers and also the net as means of
>> researching opponents games, I also wonder if the top 1% of players
>> now have a different W : D : L ratio than, say, the generation
>> playing during 1950-1980?
>
> Perhaps, yes.
>
>
> Dave.
>
> -- 
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> like a
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> easily!
 




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Re: Fischer's death again begs the question: Why is there no che
remysun2000@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-03-09 22:20:52 
Re: Fischer's death again begs the question: Why is there no che
"Robin King" &l  2008-03-10 21:30:04 
Re: Fischer's death again begs the question: Why is there no che
David Richerby <davidr  2008-03-12 13:24:21 
Re: Fischer's death again begs the question: Why is there no che
"David Kane" &l  2008-03-12 10:40:40 
Re: Fischer's death again begs the question: Why is there no che
David Damerell <damere  2008-03-12 18:31:18 
Re: Fischer's death again begs the question: Why is there no che
"David Kane" &l  2008-03-12 17:05:36 
Re: Fischer's death again begs the question: Why is there no che
David Damerell <damere  2008-03-13 13:25:16 
Re: Fischer's death again begs the question: Why is there no che
"David Kane" &l  2008-03-13 08:54:53 
Re: Fischer's death again begs the question: Why is there no che
David Damerell <damere  2008-03-13 16:55:48 
Re: Fischer's death again begs the question: Why is there no che
"David Kane" &l  2008-03-13 10:43:12 
Re: Fischer's death again begs the question: Why is there no che
David Richerby <davidr  2008-03-14 00:18:51 
Re: Fischer's death again begs the question: Why is there no che
David Damerell <damere  2008-03-14 13:11:33 
Re: Fischer's death again begs the question: Why is there no che
Kenneth Sloan <Kenneth  2008-03-14 12:16:16 
Re: Fischer's death again begs the question: Why is there no che
"David Kane" &l  2008-03-18 10:05:42 
Re: Fischer's death again begs the question: Why is there no che
David Richerby <davidr  2008-03-13 17:29:00 
Re: Fischer's death again begs the question: Why is there no che
"David Kane" &l  2008-03-13 10:46:40 
Re: Fischer's death again begs the question: Why is there no che
Chris Mattern <syscjm@  2008-03-17 01:54:34 
Re: Fischer's death again begs the question: Why is there no che
David Richerby <davidr  2008-03-23 02:05:43 
Re: Fischer's death again begs the question: Why is there no che
Phil Carmody <thefatph  2008-03-23 11:50:59 
Re: Fischer's death again begs the question: Why is there no che
"Chess One" <  2008-03-23 08:08:11 
Re: Fischer's death again begs the question: Why is there no che
David Richerby <davidr  2008-03-23 15:33:46 
Re: Fischer's death again begs the question: Why is there no che
"Chess One" <  2008-03-23 12:20:33 
Re: Fischer's death again begs the question: Why is there no che
"David Kane" &l  2008-03-23 08:19:54 

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