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Re: Fischer's death again begs the question: Why is there no chess on

by richardhutnik@[EMAIL PROTECTED] Mar 23, 2008 at 07:56 AM

On Mar 23, 8:50 am, "Chess One" <OneCh...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> <richardhut...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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news:87037d9b-d69a-4207-96f1-ebe85aa9d093@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On Mar 21, 12:33 pm, Peter Clinch <p.j.cli...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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> >> So why does anyone bother entering?  Perhaps because they /like
playing
> >> Chess/?  people who like playing will often like watching, and will
> >> appreciate quality play whether or not it ends in a draw.  A draw is
an
> >> outcome reflecting similarly good play on both sides: it is fair and
is
> >> not necessarily dull.
>
> >> Pete.
>
> > What is important to understand is that a tournament is a version of a
> > game, and it will get gamed by people to maximize their chances to
> > win, irregardless of what each game calls for.  If a scoring system
> > rewards draws more, there will be more draws.  It goes with the
> > territory.
>
> > - Rich
>
> Good points! In fact, if scores for draws are the same as averaged
win/lose,
> then there is no particular emphasis on avoiding draws, or playing for a
win
> /in terms of scoring/ - and other factors become important; Andy Walker
> mentioned ratings as one factor, and the other is one's position in any
> tournament, or how feisty you feel.
>
> To follow the language above - if the scoring system rewards draws with
> black more than white, with 0.6 and 0.4 of a point respectively, will
that
> factor disrupt 2 things? (a) if players collude to draw they do not get
the
> same reward , and (b) will it produce less draws overall by stimulating
the
> white player to fight on, and not draw?
>
> Phil Innes

What can be done is possibly causing the reigning champion to lose his
title, and it remains unseated, if no one manages to pull through and
actually end in a tie.

Another possibility is to use speed chess as "Overtime", like the did
recently with Chess960 as a way to tie-break.  Don't like to go there,
well then win?

Beyond this, besides a system gamed to draw, the amount of play in
chess has resulted in there being far less ways to surprise anyone, so
the end game ends up being predictable, minus a bungle.  Each side
will play hard, but sound, making for a reduction in pieces to the
place where a draw is left, with current rules.

You could also simply have people not be able to ask their opponent
for a draw, and force them to play it out.  Maybe do an opposite
version where you can ask your opponent to resign or force them to
double the points the match is worth.

The last option is to add new rules to chess, to make the game new.
Of course, this is heresy to hardcore players of the game, who think
the FIDE rules were handed down by God and immutable for eternity.

- Rich




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Re: Fischer's death again begs the question: Why is there no che
richardhutnik@[EMAIL PROT  2008-03-23 07:56:35 
Re: Fischer's death again begs the question: Why is there no che
David Richerby <davidr  2008-03-23 15:40:55 
Re: Fischer's death again begs the question: Why is there no che
"Chess One" <  2008-03-23 12:13:56 

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