"Peter Clinch" <p.j.clinch@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> marksteere@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>> On Mar 20, 6:48 am, Peter Clinch <p.j.cli...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>> ... what's the problem with draws?
>>>> Nobody wins - especially not the spectators.
>>> Bit of a sweeping assumption... Personally I'd prefer to watch or
play
>>> a well fought draw than an indifferent game with a result one way or
>>> another.
>>
>> Those aren't the only two possibilities. Believe it or not, some
>> games (not including Chess) can both be well fought and end decisively
>> - every time!
>
> And? if it's decisive every time then that is clearly not fair in a
> game fought by two players on equivalent form.
??? Ties are an impossibility for a large number of games and s****ts.
Is it your claim that all of these contests are unfair?
In many other s****ts, ties are a theoretical possibility, but rare. In
those
where they are possible and not so rare (though still far rarer than
chess), e.g. soccer, many have taken steps exactly as proposed for
chess (alternate scoring that devalues ties).
>You still aren't
> demonstrating that draws are bad or that most people don't like them.
Much like we don't debate the merits of breathing oxygen. The very fact
that
chess' draw situation is an extreme compared with almost every other
human contest should tell you something.
>
> If I'm playing a komi in Go I usually make it an integer where draws are
> specifically made possible. All I'd have to do to take out all
> possibility of a draw is add a half point to the komi, but I (and my
> friends at the Go club) don't see the point. We don't see any necessity
> or advantage in requiring a decisive result.
According to Wikipedia "Conventional komi in most competitions is a
half-integer....
This is convenient and the prevailing usage for tournaments, since it
rules out
a tied
game and rematches."
I suspect that even with your integer komi, draw rates are nowhere near as
high as the cancer it has become in high-level chess.
You sound like a Go enthusiast trying to kill off chess.
>
>> Who said I was only interested in the bottom line? I'm interested in
>> robust games (again, not including Chess).
>
> Your value of "robust" isn't necessarily global though.
>
>> Let's take it to the extreme and imagine that instead of 80% draws
>> among experts, you have 100% draws among intermediate players. Not
>> too farfetched since games like that do exist. Would you find that
>> entertaining?
>
> Let's take it to reality and note that that doesn't happen in Chess,
> which is the subject of this discussion, so your "point" is rather
> lacking any, errr, point.
>
> Pete.
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