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Getting Daggerfall / Area to run on today's machines

by Benjamin S <bsperan@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Feb 7, 2007 at 02:30 AM

I can imagine it would be a headache to get either Arena or Daggerfall 
to run under XP. But I hear now that there is an "XP Patch" that fixes 
some of the problems.

Personally, I do not have much trouble running either on my machines. 
But then, I use either MS-DOS (v6.22 or v7.10) or Windows 98 SE. I've 
got mine set up with separate partitions, too, so I can switch the OS. 
Even my DOS partition is set up with a custom boot menu so I can choose 
the AUTOEXEC.BAT and CONFIG.SYS setup. And with some optimizations I can 
now run most any DOS game I want.

In any serious discussion of Windows software, I feel I should mention 
AXCEL216 and his amazing website at http://www.mdgx.com.
Truely, he is a 
computer genius if there ever was one! Though reading his material takes 
time and patience. The tips and techniques he provides allows one to 
squeeze the most out of Windows and/or DOS and remove many bugs and 
major annoyances.

Also, there are some very nifty UNOFFICIAL Service Packs available that 
take care of some Windows 98 problems.

UNOFFICIAL Windows98 Second Edition Service Pack 2.1a (Freeware)
http://exuberant.ms11.net/98sesp.html
"Microsoft has never released a service pack for Windows98 SE. But I 
made a Service Pack for Windows98 SE users. It contains all Windows98 SE 
updates from Windows Update site and more."

But really, if you plan on using this or any other Unofficial Service 
Packs, then I recommend reading the relevant forum threads on:

MSFN > Unofficial Win98 SE Service Pack
http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showforum=91

MSFN > 98 SE SP 2.1a, New Version of 98 SE Service Pack
http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=61749

Also, if you upgrade that far, maybe you should consider the 98ME2SE 
upgrade solution:

MSFN > 98 SE, transplants newer WinME system files onto Win98 SE
http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=46349
MSFN > 98 FE + 98 SE + ME updates + patches + (hot)fixes
http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=46581

Of course, for either of those you will need a full install CD for 
Windows ME, as well as the full install CD for 98 SE. There are other 
unofficial tweaks, upgrades and bugfixes too, of course. Info and 
discussion on similar topics can be found MSFN (Microsoft Software Forum 
Network)at www.msfn.org.

But when you're messing around with the OS like this all sorts of things 
can happen. So you need to backup all the important stuff first. And it 
may take several tries before you find a configuration you like or even 
one that is stable. That is, with all programs running correctly, all 
drivers functioning smoothly, etc. So, I often have a seperate partition 
just for playing around with alternative OS configurations, tweaks and 
"Service Packs." And when I do come up with an install I really like I 
use the NORTON GHOST program from the NORTON UTILITIES suite to make a 
ghost image of the partition. Then it's a snap to reinstall Windows, 
should I find the need.

I have multiple partitions on my computers, allowing me to switch the OS 
or a different configuration. IMO, having separate partitions for each 
OS is almost essential as it's very easy to mess things up otherwise. 
The only catch is that older OS's like Windows 3.1/95/98/ME are limited 
to the first three PRIMARY partitions. Genuine DOS is even more fussy as 
it HAS to be located on the FIRST Primary partition of the first drive. 
And even then, the DOS partition can only be less than 1 GB or so. More 
modern OS's like Windows NT/XP and Linux are much more flexible and can 
either be located on a second drive or, in some cases, practically
anywhere.

If you are going to use multiple partitions, you really need a 
"Multi-boot Manager" program. There are several good programs like this, 
but one I use the most often is this:

XOSL - VGA mode multi-OS boot manager
http://home.att.net/~short.stop/freesoft/boot.htm

BTW: Did you know that it is possible to change your XP system to give 
it separate partitions so it can multiboot different OS's?

Of course, if you are going to be making separate partitions from your 
hard disk, you would need some sort of Partition Manager program. A good 
free example would be:

Ranish Partition Manager
http://www.users.intercom.com/~ranish/

However, creating and moving partitions is not for the faint of heart. 
At least, for a drive with important data on it. Working with a blank or 
spare drive is much safer.

Windows 95/98/ME can be a real pain to get it to run DOS games 
correctly. Even when it works it will frequently run out of Conventional 
Memory, the mouse drivers won't work, or there will be no sound/music. 
There are workarounds, of course, but they are usually very complicated. 
Explaining how to solve such problems would probably be an essay by
itself.

One alternative you might consider is DOSBOX the DOS emulator:

DOSBOX
Publisher: http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/news.php?show_news=1
OS Requirement: Windows 9x/NT/2000/ME/XP/2003
NOTE: Versions for Linux, OS/2, BeOS, Mac OS, & others are available!
License: Free (GPL)

"DOS CPU, Video + Sound emulator for Windows 9x/NT/2000/ME/XP/2003 
allows playing old DOS games on Win32 PCs, highly customizable"

I haven't tried it myself. I'm still stuck using outdated machines and 
older Windows. But from what I've read it can be difficult to get the 
sound and other hardware drivers to work correctly in DOSBOX. And there 
are reports of frequent crashes. Anyway, I feel more comfortable have a 
separate partition of REAL MS-DOS - even if it requires the 
inconvenience of rebooting.

Perhaps the easiest way to get an MS-DOS game to run smoothly might be 
create your own custom boot disk for DOS. Of course, if you have a (3 
1/4") floppy drive it's much easier to add the custom drivers (like for 
sound card) and other customizations. But it's still possible to do that 
with a bootable CD-ROM. (Although, that's more complication.)

Home - AllBootDisks.com-Providing Free Boot Disks from MS-DOS to Windows 
XP - Download a boot disk now!
http://www.allbootdisks.com/

About a year or so ago I was able to download a hacked version of MS-DOS 
called "Wengier MSDOS 7.1". This is the same version of DOS that's built 
into Windows 98/SE. So, in theory, it's legal to download if you own a 
legitimate copy/license to Windows 98 or SE.

Subject: Wengier MSDOS 7.1 Available for DL
http://www.computing.net/dos/wwwboard/forum/15867.html

cn-dos.net > MS-DOS 7.10
http://www.cn-dos.net/msdos71/index.htm

Anyway, it seems someone put a lot of legal pressure on these websites 
and forced them to take off their download links. After several Google 
searches, I still couldn't find a working download link. (WHY? It's not 
like MS sells any DOS products anymore! They stopped support for DOS and 
Windows 98/SE/ME altogether.)

However, I would imagine that there are plenty of download links 
available through P2P (Peer-to-Peer) networks. (Almost anything can be 
found there.) For those a person needs a P2P file-sharing client, of 
course. Some examples:

eMule
http://emule-project.net
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emule

Shareaza
http://www.shareaza.com

Lime Wire
http://www.limewire.com




 4 Posts in Topic:
Getting Daggerfall / Area to run on today's machines
Benjamin S <bsperan@[E  2007-02-07 02:30:00 
Re: Getting Daggerfall / Arena to run on today's machines
Benjamin S <bsperan@[E  2007-02-07 16:32:27 
Re: Getting Daggerfall / Arena to run on today's machines
"Tyler Cobb" &l  2007-05-30 14:15:32 
Re: Getting Daggerfall / Arena to run on today's machines
"Tyler Cobb" &l  2008-01-02 14:32:49 

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