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Re: Idle chatter (Warning: Long Tale in This Post)

by "Öjevind Lång" <bredband.net@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Mar 15, 2008 at 10:48 AM

"Artemus Clyde Frog" <mad@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> skrev i meddelandet 
news:Xns9A61B5769439CSumAss@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Not a lot of message traffic in this group, so I thought
> I'd see if I can stir something up.  I always check in
> here before I fire up the game, just in case there is
> some particularly inspiring story or strategic insight.
> I like this better than the websites, but I'm not sure
> just why.  Maybe because I can post without having to
> add yet another username/password to my pc.
>
[snip]

> I think I'll give immortal a try when I finish
> this game.

Wow, immortal! That's impressive. I still get trasked on Noble quite
often. 
Here is the first of the two tales I promised in another post. It was 
thrilling, all right, though I finally gave up because I was pretty
certain 
what the end result would be. I'll try to get the details right, but this 
game was *eventful*.
  I played as Lizzy (I love her combination of leaders traits, the redcoat

and the stock exchange.) Noble difficulty level, fractal map. I discovered

that my closest neighbours were Hammurabi, Montezuma, Peter the Great of 
Russia and Saladin. Oops! Not good. Then I learned that "the Vedic 
barbarians were on the march to exterminate civilization". I braced myself

and hoped I wouldn't be the one affected. Then I learned that the Arabic 
civilization had been exterminated. A bit later I learned that Russia 
(immediately to the west of me) had also been exterminated. Then the Vedic

barbarians attacked my capital city, which was still the only one I had 
(this was very early in the game); it was only defended by an unpromoted 
warrior, and their invasion force consisted of a single spearman; I
suppose 
the others had been killed capturing Mecca (which was east of Moscow) and 
Moscow, or were guarding them. I was certain I was doomed, but my brave 
little warrior managed to hold his own and kill the assailant. I then 
founded my second city, beelined to Masonry, built walls around both
cities 
and beelined to Bronze Working. I managed to found Judaism. Then repeated 
waves of barbarian warriors, and then archers, and then axemen, kept
coming 
out of Moscow and attacking my second city, but by then I had archers who 
fought them off.
  There was barbarian Moscow, barbarian Mecca somewhere west of it and 
another huge barbarian city, founded by the barbarians, south of me. North

of me was Hammurabi, and beyond him Montezuma to the nortwest, and Huayana

Capac somewhat further away beyond Hammurabi to the northeast. In my 
scouting, I had also learned that Suryavarnaman of the Khmer lived
somewhere 
to the west of me on the same continent. In fact, both Surya and Huayna 
Capac lived on middle-sized continents with one tile of water between them

and the continent shared by myself, Montezuma, Hammurabi, Peter (extinct) 
and Saladin (extinct). I later realized that Surya and Huayana Capac were 
saved from the fury of the barbarians because of the water, though Surya 
later on moved across the sound, founded cities and also captured Mecca. 
(Lincoln lived on Surya's home continent, on its western half, and had a 
nice little empire but no Wonders. Tokugawa had a nasty little continent
of 
his own very far away from every one else- his wet dream come true. He 
achieved nothing throughout the game.)  And Huayana (northeast of me)
moved 
across his water tile and founded additional cities to the ones on his
home 
continent. I did not have "raging barbarians" enabled; that horde of barb 
spearmen were simply very, very lucky, and then barbarians bred in Moscow 
(and perhaps Mecca too) became very, very numerous and determined to take 
out my second city. OK so far?
  I might as well say here that throughout the game, I did not manage to 
build a single Wonder, unless one counts the Jewish holy shrine and Sid's 
Su****. That's because Huayna and Surya were always there before me, 
particularly Huayna. He built the Oracle, the Pyramids, Stonehenge, the 
Hanging Gardens, Parthenon, Taj Mahal, the Sistine Chapel, the three
modern 
entertainment wonders, blah blah blah. He also founded Buddhism. I think 
Surya managed to build a couple of wonders, but apart from that, Huayna
was 
the king of Wonders. I was too busy fighting battles. I did try to build 
Stonehenge, and later on the Pyramids, and then Parthenon, while my second

and then third and fourth cities churned out more troops, but I was always

forestalled. (I did build improvements and libraries and monuments and so 
on - and most definitely barracks.)
  Montezuma founded Hinduism, and it spread to Hammurabi, who converted
and 
immediately became cautious towards me. Then, there was another bizarre 
twist: Judaism spread to one of Hammurabi's cities, and even though
Hinduism 
was all over the rest of his empire, he promptly converted to my religion 
and made an open borders agreement with me. I built some Jewish
missionaries 
to spread my faith to his major cities and make him really committed to
it.
  And then Montezuma attacked me. Hammurabi lived between his land and
mine, 
but it was me he attacked; he still had an open borders agreement with 
Hammurabi. He sent a whole wave of jaguars, spearmen (I think) and
chariots. 
By then, I had archers. Fortunately, Monte did not bother to destroy my 
cottaged tiles or farmland; his troops went straight to my capital city, 
where they were all killed when attacking. Then a second and a third wave 
arrived and were also promptly killed. While my war with Monte was going
on, 
the barbs kept attacking my second city. I kept shuttling troops back and 
forth; they were becoming very highly promoted. Barracks, barbs, Monte -
you 
can imagine. Then I suggested to Montezuma that we sign a peace treaty,
and 
he agreed. I had a horse tile and a luxury tile (gems), but both were very

distant from my cities, near the Babylonian border, and I knew I could 
expect a second Aztec sneak attack soon, so for the time being, I didn't
try 
to improve those two plots. Instead, I built an iron mine on the southern 
border, guarded against barbs by an axeman, and another iron mine very 
cosily tucked away a bit west of my capital, out of harm's way. I then
built 
up an army of axemen and swordsmen. It should be understood that I simply 
hadn't the time to build more than two workers, and I couldn't risk them 
trying to do something about the gems or the horses. The barbarians kept 
attacking my eastern city; by now they were also giving Hammurabi (and to 
some extent Montezuma) a hard time. Aztecs managed to slip an escorted 
settler through the barbarian lines and founded a city south of barbarian 
Moscow. Then Montezuma attacked me again. He still focused entirely on my 
capital. My spearmen killed his chariots, and my archers and single axeman

held off his other troops. After a while, I suggested peace again, and he 
agreed. I founded my third city, within reach of another gem deposit, and 
beelined towards Feudalism. I also founded a fourth city (by the eastern 
sea) and captured the big barb city south of London. And later on, I
founded 
another city by the sea, south of the first ****t city. And at some later 
time, a military city in ideal production terrain; when I abandoned the 
game, it contained the Heroic Epic, West Point, a War Academy and three 
military specialists, and it churned out a new unit every turn.
  When Montezuma made his third sneak attack, he concentrated on my third 
city. He failed to take it because I had crammed it full with troops and 
built city walls. I think it was about this time that a random event gave
me 
lots of money because my citzens were so well protected by walls. The
money 
came in useful for updating warriors to axemen and spearmen, and later on 
updating a couple of highly promoted archers to longbowmen. I got my first

Great General and attached him to an axeman. I also captured the Aztec
city 
south of Moscow. Then I suggested peace to Montezuma, and he agreed.
  Well, I won't be so detailed about most of the rest. I finally hooked up

the other gem deposit, and the horse pasture, and stationed troops,
inluding 
my GG, on the horse pasture.  I captured barbarian Moscow, which had gold 
and bronze - nice! Despite my complete lack of World Wonders, my culture
was 
excellent and my borders wide. Twice, my buddy Hammruabi suggested I join 
him in a war against Montezuma, and considering what had happened before,
I 
thought my reputation could take it. However, Huayana, who was annoyed
with 
me even before then, now really started to hate my guts. In the first of
the 
two wars fought against Monty with Hammurabi as an ally, I captured two 
Aztec cities, the second on the western seabord; during the second war 
alongside Hammurabi, I captured an third Aztec city north of the other two

and razed it to improve my cultural borders. Montezuma then vassalled to 
Hammurrabi. By this time, I had redcoats and knights.
  However, by then Huayana Capac had infantry. Here comes another very 
bizarre event. After a fairly long period of peace (I wasn't constantly 
fighting wars after having got rid of the barbs, and after Monte's three 
attacks) I espied three Inca galleons at sea outside the northern of my
two 
****t cities on the eastern seaboard. I realized I was the target. The ****t

city was well garrisoned (I have learned my lesson about that); there was
a 
redcoat, a war veteran, there, and also macemen and some longbowmen. I 
hastily updated a maceman and a highly promoted longbowman to redcoats and

hoped for the best.
  And then Huayna attacked, straight from the ****ps. That was clever of
him, 
because troops from my other cities were streaming towards that city and 
were one or two tiles away when he struck. Nevertheless, of the three 
infantrymen, two cannon, two riflemen, one cavalry and one knight he threw

against my city, not a single one survived. My redcoats killed his 
infantrymen. My macemen accounted for the rest, except that the knight was

killed by a bowman and one cannon was killed by another longbowman! I got 
another GG out of that attack.
  Well, then there was peace. Huayana had founded some minor cities south
of 
me, and I should have captured those two nearest to me before suggesting 
peace, but I felt I was lucky to get a peace deal. However, peace didn't 
last. When, some considerable time later, he attacked again, he had
bombers 
and mechanized infantry and tanks; I had air****ps and infantry, and my
first 
tank had just rolled out of my military production city. And though I had 
upgraded some of my most intensely promoted redcoats, I still had many 
redcoats left, and they acquitted themselves well. I capured two of
Huayana 
Capac's five cities south of me, and I have no doubt I could have taken
the 
other three as well, despite the constant harassment from bombers. Mind
you, 
when I captured twose two cites, Huayana lost most of his air force.
Still, 
by then Huayana had finished the Apollo Program and built a thruster. He 
also rejected my peace overtures. I opened World Builder and discovered
that 
I was in the same situation as Gondor after the victory on the Pelennor 
Fields; I had only destroyed a fraction of Mordor's military might, Also, 
Huayna was only one turn away from fini****ng the cockpit for his
space****p. 
One way or another, I was going to lose. So I called it a day - or, to be 
precise, an early morning.
  Still, it was a truly gripping game. The AI seems to have decided that I

need some really extreme experiences so I won't whine about "all games
being 
the same". Not that I ever say that.

Öjevind
 




 4 Posts in Topic:
Idle chatter
Artemus Clyde Frog <ma  2008-03-14 21:50:18 
Re: Idle chatter (Warning: Long Tale in This Post)
"Öjevind Lång"   2008-03-15 10:48:44 
Re: Idle chatter (Warning: Long Tale in This Post)
Andre <ANDREJANSSENS1@  2008-03-15 12:04:01 
Re: Idle chatter (Warning: Long Tale in This Post)
"Öjevind Lång"   2008-03-15 21:25:36 

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