On Aug 27, 11:08 am, Morten Brattbakk <sl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On 27 Aug, 17:23, "Craig J. Ries" <silvantha...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> What is there, beyond your personal preferences, that makes the 4A
> elements removed by the 5A OK, while 5A elements removed by WoS just
> wrong, immoral?
Name 4A elements that were removed by 5A. List them again please. I
think the issue is that there were a whole lot of 4A rewrites, and 5A
simply kept them. Remember, DOSF IS A 4A story. Again, that a part
of the re-writing of history that 4A zealots try to aspire towards.
> (Especially considering that without WoS, thre would've been no more
> DL due to lack of sales.)
>
> And one follow-up comment: As bitter as you seem about the demise of
> 5A, you really should understand the bitterness 4A fans felt about the
> 5A.
>
> Morten
Well, Morten, I've repeatedly answered this question for you several
several times. You've just conveniently forgotten every time we've
said it because our answer simply doesn't matter to you.
Simply put:
DLA comes out.
Fans want more
TotL comes out. Rewrites everything
DLA fans scream murder.
New novels rewrite everything
DLA fans scream murder.
DoSF comes out. Ends everything.
All fans scream murder.
SAGA comes out. some fans become 5th age fans
4th age fans continue to scream murder.
WoS comes out. rewrite everything.
4th age fans are okay with it.
When it comes down to it, 4th age zealots were hypocritical. I've
told you this several times Morten, but it looks like you keep
ignoring what was said, which I really hate how you bring up this
flame war all over again. Basically, if fans scream murder when one
group rewrites everything, fans should still scream murder when
Margaret and Tracy also do the exact same thing with the exact same
methodology. "Two wrongs to not make a right." Yet, you say it's
okay because it's tracy and margaret, and to you, you're consistent
with yourself, because Margaret and Tracy can do no wrong. They can
trample of anything because it's them. They have the jail free card
while no one else does. "The ends justify the means." 5th age fans
(who are also 4th age fans too) want respect given to alllllllllll
things written, to keep everything in continuity, and to work
peacefully in one transition from one writing/design team to another.
So, it is *not* okay for Margaret and Tracy to overwrite something
because they didn't like it.
Sadly 4th age zealots were so hard-lined about this that they were
happy to kill off one thing to bring about what they wanted. And 4th
age zealots were simply hypocritical winners happy to gloat on others
when their canon won out, regardless of community, and respect for one
another. That's what the real 4th age vs 5th age wars were really
about. And it is people such as yourself who continually believe that
the SAGA design team had no respect. The added new stuff, but they
also worth long ours to make sure all stories, from DC comic books,
computer games, and even obscure information were treated with
respect, no matter how silly kodragons and Astral dragons happen to
be.
And really the problem here, as I see it, Morten, is that even
Margaret and Tracy had respect for some elements. they kept the new
sorcery. They kept Kender nightstalkers. They kept a lot of new and
interesting things they did like. They returned the gods, but not in
the exact way you wanted it. But that stuff still had SAGA era story-
hooks. because they kept it in, the world seems convoluted to you,
which made you leave it.
That in a nutshell is my complaint as I was labeled a 5th age.
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