On 28 Aug, 04:45, "Craig J. Ries" <silvantha...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> But then WoS did the EXACT same thing to the same elements, in the span
> of, what was in-world, no time at all. There was nothing organic about
> the way W&H tore apart everything the SAGA team & Rabe built.
And there was nothing organic about the way the 5A box tore apart
everything the original Dragonlance team built, either.
But, I do agree with you on all the revolusions. But WoS was totally
necessary in order to make a DL that more than just a small minority
of fans liked. But I agree the execution was poor.
> Contrast that to WoS, where everything was simply a pawn to be thrown
> before the bigger pieces. Hell, even the heroes of the story were
> nothing more than pawns, which frustrates me as much as anything else in
> that trilogy.
Agree. Impotent, all of them. You could never feel anybody actually
achieving something, unlike Chronicles where did have more control of
their own destiny and eventually Krynn's.
> > You've got a double-standard.
>
> I have a double standard? That's pretty funny.
>
> My standard is pretty clear: don't compound mistakes with more mistakes.
Your problem is that you define "more mistakes" so narrowly that it
also includes what most other people would define as "correcting
mistakes". And you do have double standards, you did say that the 5A
team had plans for correcting their mistakes, but when W&H does it
instead it's destruction.
> That is what I feel W&H did throughout War of Souls. As is self-evident,
> the result splintered the fan base even more and a failure to bring fans
> 'back in the fold'.
I don't know, how many people are that unhappy about the return of the
gods and the removal of the 5A elements. I would like to see that
claim substantiated. WoS certainly seemed to revive the game setting
and its sales.
> As good as Margaret and Tracy's writing was throughout WoS, the story
> served no purpose beyond the usual "evil turns upon itself" and
> destruction simply for the sake of destruction, with an extra helping of
> destruction on the side.
You write your own bias into the intent of W&H. I don't like
destruction of Ansalon by the dragon purge, but I certainly wouldn't
voice my dislike in the way that you voiced your dislike of WoS here.
> Instead of a progressive beginning to an end to things, it was a case of
> sweeping everything under the rug.
Changes were needed for fans to keep being interested in the setting.
It didn't have to happen as slowly as you said, only better. (For
example, if sorcery and mysticism as well as the Dragon Overlords (and
perhaps major magical phenomena such as the Silvanesti ****eld) were
depended on Takhisis in order to exit, that they were means for her
plans on how to handle Krynn after she regrew her strength, then they
could have achieved a good trilogy. .. With the weakening and fall of
Takhisis during the War of Souls, so would the dragons fall, as well
as the new magic and its institutions, and it would make sense,
without feeling contrived, even if it happened awfully fast. Hmm, WoS
needs a total rewrite as much as the Star Wars prequels do.
> Oh, and speaking of Qualinesti... I *like* the Lake of Death (double
> standard indeed)...
Yeah, underwater ruined cities aren't bad concepts.
> I just wish that 3 products didn't immediately
> describe it 3 different ways.
Heh, it seems that in some respects, certainly, Dragonlance will
*never* change. :)
Imagine afdl ending up like this: I hate the new Dragonlance! It is
nothing like the old, there are no inconsistecies!
> > --and you're the paragon of bitter dinos. Regards.
>
> Oh please. If that describes me, then it applies equally as well to
> anybody who *****es and moans about losing everything about the 4th Age,
> yourself included.
One should bear the bitter dino badge with pride. I know I do.
> The setting moved on after the 4th Age.
>
> IMO, it hasn't moved on after the removal of everything created for the
> 5th Age.
It hasn't? I haven't bothered to read the books, but from what little
I've heard and read of blurbs there is at least the attempt to have
more organic development of the setting. Can anyone a bit less pro-5A
biased than Craig and more knowledgable than me describe and judge the
direction of the setting post-WoS?
Morten
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