On 27 Aug, 17:23, "Craig J. Ries" <silvantha...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > >> The Fifth Age brand and all of its characteristic features--I
need not
> > >> recount them here--are gone.
>
> > > Sorry, but I have to disagree that it's as simple as that. Ogre
Titans
> > > are getting a trilogy, for one.
Here, you say that it is not as easy as the 5th Age is gone, implying
that what is now is still the 5th Age. I don't know much about it, but
at the end of the post I'm replying to now, you seem very bitter that
most of the features are gone. You seem to
> > Ogre Titans were nonexistent before a module in the WAR OF SOULS
series
> > entitled RISE OF THE TITANS. Tracy Hickman came up with the concept.
>
> Yes, I'm very aware of Rise of the Titans, but the War of Souls series?
> I think you're mixing concepts here.
Actually, I do seem to recall that Sylvan Veil and Rise of the Titans
were published in a series, and both of them had concepts/ideas from
W&H and were intended as set-up for WoS. The title of the series could
even reflect this, Battle Lines.
> And I don't buy the "Tracy came up with it, so that's ok" notion you're
> applying to it, either.
I think you misread Matthew there. This wasn't a discussions about
what features were good or not, but what could be characterized as 5A
elements and not. The concept of the Titans appeared as a concept by
Hickman as part of the WoS series, and as such it is part of the
changes made by W&H/WoS rather than a part of the pre-WoS 5A.
> > All gone/done/resolved/destroyed/ended.
>
> (sarcasm) Thanks, Margaret and Tracy! (/sarcasm)
>
> > Afflicted Kender? Thinker Gnomes? The Legion of Steel? The Herald? The
> > Master of the Tower? Mystics??
>
> > I suppose they're theoretically still around, but really, out of sight
> > and out of mind.
>
> Ahh, that easy, is it?
>
> Sorry, but I'm obviously not into the whole "Let's piss on the 5th Age
> because it's easy to do".
>
> I think there were plenty of great ideas for the 5th Age/SAGA material,
> and while some were executed poorly, that's no excuse for dumping the
> rest. The notion that doing so would 'unite the fan base' always has
> been and always will be pretty laughable.
There is one question I have asked you, and other 5A fans, but never
have gotten an answer to: You seem bitter and angry about the fate of
the 5th Age, and that most of the elements were removed. In fact you
seem to imply that it is morally wrong. Yet, the 5A box destroyed very
much of Krynn that remained even after DoSF: The entire populations
(and memories) of Enstar and Nostar, the area north of Icewall, the
entire Goodlund Peninsula and the lands beyond, much of Solamnia and
surroundings, the land around New Sea, the Tower of Palanthas, most of
Ansalon's dragons, the AD&D system, to name a few.
I agree that WoS wasn't uniting the fan base, nothing could have. In
fact, like I have said, its attempt to do so was one of its faults. If
so many features as Matthew mentioned are gone, perhaps they actually
saw the error of that.
Here's the simple question you really should answer:
What is there, beyond your personal preferences, that makes the 4A
elements removed by the 5A OK, while 5A elements removed by WoS just
wrong, immoral?
(Especially considering that without WoS, thre would've been no more
DL due to lack of sales.)
And one follow-up comment: As bitter as you seem about the demise of
5A, you really should understand the bitterness 4A fans felt about the
5A.
Morten
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