On Apr 6, 7:57 pm, "J.D. Walker" <j.d.wal...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> jeremy.p.spin...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> > This was the incident which I praised Sam for in an earlier post. It
> > is amazing that this could be summarized as a case where a board
> > member was forced to resign because of a dispute with the rating
> > committee. This was a pure and simple case of ratings fraud. There is
> > nobody at fault here except for the board member.
>
> > It is easy to say that the ratings committee should catch this, but
> > very hard in practice. There are too many pieces of data coming in to
> > check whether every one is legitimiate. The rating committee's chief
> > job is to set up a good system, not to police it. Every rating system
> > can be manipulated by a cheater placed in a position of trust. It is
> > rare for a TD to cheat in this way; unfortunately, it is not the only
> > case. I do not hold the rating system or the rating committee at
> > fault, just as I would not hold the national basketball league at
> > fault if a referee is found to be in the pay of gamblers. The fault is
> > all on the trusted individual.
>
> > For those who tout FIDE's superiority in all things, FIDE has had
> > ratings manipulations schemes as well. In this case, Sam did a good
> > job exposing a cheater; blaming it on anybody but the cheater (in
> > particular, making it seem like the cheater was a victim!) is a very
> > strange way of looking at the case.
>
> > Jerry Spinrad
>
> > On Apr 6, 3:50 pm, "J.D. Walker" <j.d.wal...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >> samsloan wrote:
> >>> On Apr 6, 2:02 pm, "J.D. Walker" <j.d.wal...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >>>> Chess One wrote:
> >>>>> "samsloan" <samhsl...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>
>>>>>news:9557df57-d941-4098-a3e1-607eca688249@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>>>> On Apr 6, 10:16 am, "Chess One" <OneCh...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Ken Sloan's administration of the USCF rating department
occassioned a
> >>>>>>> board
> >>>>>>> member to resign! That's not false.
> >>>>>> I am really curious. I have never heard this one before.
> >>>>>> What board member resigned, and why?
> >>>>> I am not mentioning his name, since there is no need to celebrate
the
> >>>>> fallen - and indeed he seems to have acted on very bad advice to
accept a
> >>>>> title. But what of the responsibility of those awarding the title?
> >>>>> But this player was on the board preceeding yours, and the crime
was for
> >>>>> ratings rigging - so that he played the same half dozen players in
closed
> >>>>> tournaments, and they all rated 1650/1800 - thereby he gained a
point or two
> >>>>> at a time. I am not sure he ever played anyone 2200 or above.
> >>>>> At the time everyone was shocked he should have done so, yet 2
USCF
> >>>>> departments allowed (a) him to continue ac***ulating points this
way [that's
> >>>>> the rating dept], and (b) then another department made him a
life-master
> >>>>> with a ratings floor. Neither of them seem to notice his
opponent's level of
> >>>>> play.
> >>>>> I mention this particularly since the guy who egged him on and
encouraged
> >>>>> him to apply for the title is a USCF Delegate, Eric Johnson, and
the guy who
> >>>>> oversaw the ratings department is Ken Sloan, and this pair decided
in YOUR
> >>>>> newsgroup to rubbish other companies ratings 'quality control',
with all the
> >>>>> usual absense of detail, and abstract criticism.
> >>>>> Ken Sloan has failed to assure anyone that this fault is not a
common one at
> >>>>> USCF, therefore he never 'notices' my question, 'how frequently
has this
> >>>>> happened', even though he assures us that all is OK. The only
thing he has
> >>>>> ever responded with is the comment 'how do you know nothing has
changed',
> >>>>> which is as mindless a piece of verbage as he could insult USCF's
system
> >>>>> with, since the answer lies in his own inability and unwillingness
to show
> >>>>> if anything changed.
> >>>>> Why another department should also not have noticed such a
prominent
> >>>>> ratings-account when giving the player a Masters award and a
ratings floor
> >>>>> is also entirely 'unclear', except to say that he was a politico
and into a
> >>>>> Fide postion...
> >>>>> Makes a change to getting a watch.
> >>>>> Phil Innes
> >>>>>> Sam Sloan
> >>>> Phil,
> >>>> This incident is pretty interesting. Was it ever published in an
> >>>> investigative article that I could read on the net? I'd love to
know
> >>>> more. If not, it sounds like an issue that deserves an
investigation.
> >>>> --
> >>>> Cordially,
> >>>> Rev. J.D. Walker, MsD, U.C.
> >>> He is referring to Robert Tanner and that is not what happened at
all.
> >>> The whole story is at:
>
>>>http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.chess.politics/msg/376c468af...
> >>> Basically Tanner created three fake personalities, all rated around
> >>> 2200-2300 and played Quads against them over and over again, thereby
> >>> raising his own rating to over 2300, giving himself a floor of 2200.
> >>> The first fake person was Andre Peroit. The first rating of Andre
> >>> Peroit was a provisional 2356 in the 1992
> >>> Wyoming National Parks RR in Jackson, Wyoming, directed by 'I'anner.
> >>> He then created Milan Djiatlich and Leopold Rodl and played them
over
> >>> and over, winning 31 consecutive games against Milan Djiatlich, who
> >>> supposedly was rated over 2300.
> >>> None of this had anything to do with Ken Sloan or Eric Johnson.
> >>> Sam Sloan
> >> Sam,
>
> >> Thanks for the reply and the link Sam. I am going to once again sail
> >> upon troubled waters by saying that this complaint on the surface
> >> appears to be very detailed and consequently the product of much
> >> research. If it is all accurate, then, /I am impressed with your
> >> research skills in this instance./
>
> >> However, your critics suggest that your facts and conclusions are to
be
> >> generally regarded as suspect. Since this is a past event perhaps
> >> someone else has put in as much or more work to dig out the facts of
> >> this event. Is there any thing else I can read to possibly balance
the
> >> re****tage of this event?
>
> >> What exactly happened after you lodged this complaint?
> >> --
>
> >> Cordially,
> >> Rev. J.D. Walker, MsD, U.C.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> I have spent quite a few hours today searching around the Web based on
> the search terms "USCF Ratings scandal." There has been lots to read.
> One thing is noticeable by its absence -- An official account of the
> Tanner scandal by the USCF. I see where the man was charged, where he
> eventually apologized, and where he resigned -- then nothing. Perhaps
> the official re****t is confined in some members-only area of the USCF
> web site which I will never see, because I am not going to rejoin...
>
> I notice that Mr. Tanner is still directing tournaments and playing in
> them. The tournament cross table I looked at showed him getting a bye
> then drawing a game and then forfeiting two games. As he was the Asst.
> TD perhaps he only joined to round out the number of players...
>
> Meanwhile... I encountered this statement at Mig Greengard's blog in an
> old entry dated July 10, 2006. "That Michigan Class A player who
> allegedly cheated in Philly is facing perhaps very serious sanctions
> such as a lifetime ban from playing in USCF tournaments." Consider the
> fairness of the sanctions between these two cases...
> --
>
> Cordially,
> Rev. J.D. Walker, MsD, U.C.
Let's see. You 'can't find' a re****t on possible sanctions against
Tanner, so you conclude one doesn't exist. You bring up a speculative
new re****t from a blog posting by someone outside of the USCF and draw
a comparison between it and what you can't find for Tanner based
solely on what MAY happen at some point. And all this in defense of
drivel P Innes posted about Dr. Sloan. No wonder you find Sam Sloan's
research skills 'fierce.'
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